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Registered: Jan 2004
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NKS &genetics

Hello,

I'm particularly interested in the following subjects :
- expression of Hox genes and development of embryo members
- place of the cells in the embryo layers and its differentiation into specific tissue
- mutations of the Hox genes and the evolution

I would like to know if NKS methods were applied in the research on that points and what are the results?

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I think the basic answer to your question is that it has not really been tried yet. Some work has been done using NKS models for the growth of specific features, like differentiation of bone from surrounding tissue in the growth of a chicken's foot.

http://forum.wolframscience.com/sho...?s=&threadid=52

But whole body plans as the result of a simple developmental program, while certainly an idea that fits the NKS view of how things probably happen, hasn't been seriously investigated yet. It is a young field. It is a fine idea for something to explore, but you'd probably be the first to do so.

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Originally posted by Jason Cawley
I think the basic answer to your question is that it has not really been tried yet. Some work has been done using NKS models for the growth of specific features, like differentiation of bone from surrounding tissue in the growth of a chicken's foot.

http://forum.wolframscience.com/sho...?s=&threadid=52

But whole body plans as the result of a simple developmental program, while certainly an idea that fits the NKS view of how things probably happen, hasn't been seriously investigated yet. It is a young field. It is a fine idea for something to explore, but you'd probably be the first to do so.


One of Wolframs book points is that the simple programme could generate a complicated structure. I agree. That’s why I thought that NKS methods could be related to the subjects I’m interested in.
Punctual mutations of structural genes can be an origin of simple changes but not enough significant to proceed to a real evolution of spaces.
Following certain theories: mutations of regulatory genes important for the first steps of development, ex Hox genes, could be responsible for serious changes in body structure and explain some points of evolution.
The similar regulatory system of embryo development was found not only for a Drosophila melanogaster or mammalian animals but also in plants : Arabidopsis thaliana . One of the proofs that the spaces so different had to have common origins.
So maybe a ‘simple program’ of embryo genes expression exists and could be treated, or even find out via computing ?

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genes and programs

I'll start by saying I'm very familiar with NKS, I came here to critique a friend's idea in a different thread. But, modern ideas of genetics are very similar to the functions of a program. Different genes, whether they are regulatory or not, in a state of constant interaction with their environment, switching on and off based on a set of criteria (criteria physically encoded into the structure of the DNA itself). We see large brains as being more complex, but in terms of embryo development it simply requires the "build brain cells" gene to stay active a little longer. "Complex" results from simple inputs.

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Re: genes and programs

Originally posted by Schroedinger
I'll start by saying I'm very familiar with NKS, I came here to critique a friend's idea in a different thread. But, modern ideas of genetics are very similar to the functions of a program. Different genes, whether they are regulatory or not, in a state of constant interaction with their environment, switching on and off based on a set of criteria (criteria physically encoded into the structure of the DNA itself). We see large brains as being more complex, but in terms of embryo development it simply requires the "build brain cells" gene to stay active a little longer. "Complex" results from simple inputs.


Thank you for the answer.

Exactly right. DNA could be seen as a program divided into many parties which are read and applied when it is needed. That’s why I wanted to know if any research at that level was done by Wolfram’s group. If you know anything about it please let me know.

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