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MikeHelland


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Since you're going to be so demanding:


Consciousness is the border of the reality.

This has been known for thousands and thousands years.

Ever heard of the Tao? The Hebrew Bible?




Ok.



So now that you've gotten the confirmitive response to your thread:

where are your comments in my thread?

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AdamL


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Things

Can't "things" exist before and after consciousness? Isn't consciousness a specific complex outcome of a system that is real, beyond ourselves? Isn't a consciousness merely a part of the whole?

NKS says for example, that consciousness or will would have been retained because it is the easiest way to predict the outcome of a system. In other words, it is a new way of moving. It invests the random order with a direction, in this case early on one of self-preservation and proliferation, because that is simply the best way to ensure that those things happen. Unconscious, undirected beings, are less efficient in serving their own being than directed beings. Therefore, directed beings are retained.

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Re: Things

Originally posted by AdamL
Can't "things" exist before and after consciousness?


Yes. But a different kind of exist.


Isn't consciousness a specific complex outcome of a system that is real, beyond ourselves?


But a different kind of real.



Isn't a consciousness merely a part of the whole?


Consciousness is like the bridge between your reality and absolute reality.

These are very old teachings in most cultural heritages.

When you pass the bridge, that which was something, becomes nothing. And that which was nothing becomes something.

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Re: Re: Things

Originally posted by MikeHelland
Yes. But a different kind of exist.




But a different kind of real.





Consciousness is like the bridge between your reality and absolute reality.

These are very old teachings in most cultural heritages.

When you pass the bridge, that which was something, becomes nothing. And that which was nothing becomes something.


So, the statement I make "conscoiusness, the edge of the universe" is not so weird.

The only things that are real in the universe are the things that happen. Something that does not happen, does not exist.

Yesterday, does not exist anymore, so yesterday does not need any kind of space.

The future does not exist, so there is no time and space in the future. Yhe only thing wat is real is the "now".

All we see is in fact an picture in your brain. Your brain give's you the idea of the space arround you.

In my opinion is everything arround me just an option for my own future, this count's also for you and any orher observer

By moving myself into a direction I create some kind of future,
The places I never will visit will never take place.
The space and time of the thing I never will do, will never exist.

The only real thing is reallity, only reality needs time and space to exist.

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I guess I don't understand the reason for believing in the primacy of consciousness. The very best argument I read for it was found in "The Physics of Consciousness" but I am not a physicist and so my evaluation of that is not very well informed.

But NKS seems to me to be at least an alternative to that. Because it contends to explain quantum phenomenon in a way that doesn't require consciousness for wave form collapse. It restores the primacy of reality. Or no?

Really confused,

Adam

edit - sorry I didn't see Jason's request...

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Originally posted by AdamL

But NKS seems to me to be at least an alternative to that. Because it contends to explain quantum phenomenon in a way that doesn't require consciousness for wave form collapse. It restores the primacy of reality. Or no?



I don't think so.

This is my favorite topic to discuss and contemplate, and I don't see how NKS itself lends itself to that topic.


On the other hand, I think that an NKS approach will be used in combination with a few other insights, and breath new life into the topic.


As for the "primacy" of consciousness, I think we are saying mind is more fundamental than matter; but that doesn't mean it is most fundamental.


I can't explain it to you, but I may be able to help you down a path where you may explain it to yourself.


The first step is answering this question:

What is reality?

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Let me try..

Reality is all what really happens. The only reality is your own "now". Past and future does not really exist. Like yesterday is gone and tomorow will come. How tomorow will look depends for a big part on yourself.

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let me help you rudeonline by sharing this quote from Mike Helland with you:

"So my ideas have been trounced and exposed as utter garbage."

Mike Helland freely admits his ideas are garbage and thus I would not spend any time answering them.

Happy to save you some trouble...

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If you really felt I was beating a dead horse, you wouldn't be posting in these dead threads.

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"So my ideas have been trounced and exposed as utter garbage."
-Mike Helland

option a:
"If you really felt I was beating a dead horse, you wouldn't be posting in these dead threads."

option b:
discredit you on the forum so nobody bothers responding to you ever again on this forum

option best option and my option

Its my automatic Mike Helland response you like it?

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Motion depends on force.

Moving speed can not surpass force speed.

We accelerate things by electromagnetic force.

EM waves travel at speed C. That's the highest force speed we know so far.

So that's our possible speed limit so far.

Am I have a point?

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http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=chKxcXMAxss

I made a few animation's.. maybe you get my idea after watching them...

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