Registered: May 2004
[wrote:] "What is = something
What computes = nothing, or at least nothing to us, because we are something"
-Why: 'what computes' = nothing (and not: = something else) ?
-"...,because we are something" ??? <-- is that a reason?
-The following sentence i didn't get:
"It is possible that what is nothing to us, could be something to something that is not something to us." -how do you mean it?
Do you mean all this in a generalist way like 'thing' opposed to 'not thing' or 'worldly' vs 'supernatural'?
By setting (world =) 'what is' := something you imply there is 'something else' un= 'what is'. Something else not from this world.
-That computes how our world progresses? ...a machine God?
At this point we need to ask what we exactly mean by 'what is' or 'world'!
-Is it what we can see and touch?
-What we can imagine?
-Every 'thing' that is out there, or just what we actually perceive with our senses and 'know' is there.
Had we set world := 'everything out there', there'd be no place left for 'what computes'. It'd have no space to exist, unless it was made of some ghostly, supernatural matter.
Or 'it' was what holds our universe together at the innermost...
Like a ghostly force that pulls and pushes and shapes everywhere at the same time, but has no shape, itself. That consists of no matter (then it'd be a part of our world), but still somehow is connected to or hidden inside all matter thus influencing our world.
Whatever it is and whatever more general Everything it is part of, to have an effect in/on our world it needs to be somehow related. Whether direct or indirect, visible (for us) or not, detectable (for us) or not, there has to be some type of relation between 'what computes' and 'what is', for it simply to matter for us.
If 'it' was computing (or forming and planning) for all time but there was no connection whatsoever it would have no consequences and not be of any importance to us!
I personally associate this ghostly matter with information, as it is masterfully described in Steven Pinker's 'How the mind works':
Information (whether hidden in nature or known to us as our thoughts, feelings and dreams) has itself no material form of existence. There is no way to detect information if it didn't had an effect, didn't leave a trace, first. Again: Information without any traces ever would not matter to anyone. Therefore information is inextricably linked to the effect(s) it "creates"/"causes"/"is".
my hypothesis: 'information' =? 'what computes'
in other words: information can not be detected in "pure form", because it doesn't even exist of what we can detect. However it does have real effects in our world, as every student who knows he's having an exam the next day could tell you. In order to exert this effect (e.g. learning, nervousness, getting an excuse from the doc...) information must be inextricably linked to our world.
Now you might ask: 'and what decides how exactly any set of information effects our world?' Admittedly there are several thinkable possibilities of which only one can become reality (either the student participates in the exam or he stays away). The answer again is Information - other or more detailed information (again in form of thoughts, desire, emotions or external influences) would in the end determine the outcome.
Eventually I seem to have arrived at a deterministic point of view.
What i'm trying to get at is, that information might actually be just another name for what is.
Or where is the difference between 'You are reading these here words' (fact) and the information that you'e reading these here words.
P.S. There is no false information, only true! If the information was a sham (e.g. a lie) it is no more equivalent to its original, but has been further processed.
P.S.S. @Charlie Stromeyer jr.
thanks for the link, i'll happily check it out.
there are two different groups of people in the world, those who divide the people of the world into different groups, and those who do not.
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